This guy’s a very polarizing figure for fans of the equally polarizing Final Fantasy 12 so let’s get to it.
From another submitter: Not important to the story, annoying, rude/stupid, shouldn’t be in the game, static character.
Okay, first off, Vaan’s backstory. He’s a 17 year old orphan living on the streets of an occupied capital city, he’s got at minimum 5-6 other younger kids relying on him so they stay alive. He’s a kid forced into an adult’s role and his personality reflects that. He says himself that he was just trying to run away from his past and pain by dreaming of being a sky pirate. A dream, I will add, he shared with all the younger orphans. He wants to move up in the world, which is nearly impossible for a kid like him.
I’m going to lump: Too dumb, Annoying, Whiny, Rude/Stupid, and too nice/carefree.
Personality from the original show was butchered:
Someone doesn’t understand the concept of Teen Titans Go. The entire show is a parody of the original universe. I’m pretty sure the writers are aware that Robin isn’t stupid and egotistical and nothing else, just as they’re aware that there’s more to Raven than being emo, more to Cyborg than eating a lot, more to Starfire than being a girly girl, more to Beast Boy than crushing on Raven, and more to Terra than being the bitch that stole Beast Boy’s heart. It’s all a joke. The entire show is a joke. And in my opinion, it’s an incredibly good joke. So for the record, this is not me defending the character of TTG’s Robin. It’s me defending him as a brilliant caricature of the original. Because after all, that’s what his character is.
Shown as the weakest Titan (despite being able to take down all of the other Titans in original show):
If you recall from the original series, Robin is rather insecure about being the only one without powers, and this feeds into his almost constant need to prove himself. Him being shown as the weakest gave the writers the opportunity an opportunity to portray this while still being funny, rather than depressing. There’s also the ongoing wannabe Batman joke about his character, which is only played up by episodes where his lack of powers makes him weak/pathetic. Not to mention, I only recall one episode actually showing this, maybe two.
This one confused me at first too, and I used to really not like that aspect of his character, but I’m beginning to understand where that’s coming from. Even in the original series, Robin always took it for granted that he was in command. He couldn’t handle failure well and needed to be the best - again with the “need to prove himself” I mentioned earlier. He also has a hard time being wrong, and won’t let anyone tell him that. The only time he was submissive to anyone was in “Apprentice” parts 1 and 2, and that’s because (without spoiling too much of the plot) his friends were in danger. There’s also the fact that this egotistical nature is sometimes used to show his insecurity, and how much he’s trying to hide it, which is also true of the original Robin. Obviously, TTG plays up this fact, because it’s a caricature. If you have buck teeth, that caricature artist is gonna give you elephant tusks. It’s part of the art of parody.
Has a superiority complex:
This argument confuses me, because Robin from the original Teen Titans series does too. For goodness’s sake, he decided he was too cool for Batman (getting mad for Batman treating him like a kid and not an equal) and decided to start his own league of super heroes instead. Let me say that again. He’s too cool for Batman. He can’t deal with Aqualad hitting on Starfire even though they aren’t actually dating. He has to go on his magical Kung-Fu quest “alone.” He breaks his arm because that motorcycle guy from “Fractured” (whose name I really don’t want to bother looking up right now) was taunting him and just couldn’t take that from him. He literally can not lose or be wrong. Ever.
So there you have it. A pretty accurate, if not incredibly exaggerated, portrait of Dick Grayson, reduced to the hilarious elements of his personality in the style that makes Teen Titans Go the great parody it is.
When I first saw Max’s design I knew he was going to be hated by the fandom (like Owen) and I’m surprised of how well liked he is by the fandom
Anyway, TIME TO DEFEND EVIL!
Constantly says “evil,” acts stupid, annoyed Scarlett, annoyed everyone on his original team, thought Scarlett had a crush on him: Max was probably designed by Fresh TV to be despised by the older fandom (like Sugar)
Makes fun of Dave after having his heart crushed: Well he is EVIL
Max is too cartoony and EVIL for Total Drama (he deserves to be in a more cartoonier cartoon, like Jimmy Two-Shoes or Spliced)
I can’t believe I’m doing this, but for some reason I’m going to defend Tohma. I’ll be honest. I didn’t much like the guy when I was playing Misao, but that’s kind of the point of his character. The point was to fake you out and to make you choose to sacrifice Tohma instead of Mr. Sohta in the end. By making Tohma look like a huge asshole he seems worse than the “kind and lovely” teacher.
So let’s go.
Acts brave but is a coward
Well.. I have to disagree. Frankly, I don’t think Tohma EVER acted brave one bit. His little flirt session with Otome about “protecting her” is just the kind of stupid stuff teens say to their girlfriends to win brownie points. It’s not like he was doing it honestly or really thinking something bad would happen. He was taking the whole thing as a joke. So, no, he never really acted brave. He was a coward all throughout.. and really is that such a bad thing? He was surrounded by dead things and ghosts out to kill him. I would’ve pissed myself, at least his drawers were dry.
“dated” Otome while dating Misao
I think you got those ” ” in the wrong direction there. He was never dating Misao. He was just teasing her and being a jerk. He was pretending to date her just because she was being made fun of and he thought it would be a funny thing to do. It’s not uncommon for young boys to do that and pretend to ask out a girl who is ugly or unpopular only to throw it back at them. He seemed to be genuinely dating Otome or at least actively fooling around with her. The extra scene with Otome is only an illusion. He clearly had no intention of dating Misao.
played Misao and Otome
He played Misao not Otome.
[SPOILER] let Otome die[/SPOILER]
I want you to think about this for a moment. He’s an ordinary teen boy, with all the faults of an ordinary teen boy, he’s not brave and has no special powers. What would you do in that situation? If he hadn’t run away they both would’ve died, and I know there’s a romantic notion about saving your significant other but there’s no denying that in a real life or death situation it might not be your first thought. Your first thought would be saving yourself. Otome was his girlfriend but they weren’t soulmates or a married couple. He probably valued his own life more than hers, and I don’t know how many people would’ve reacted differently.
flirted with Aki, Misao, Otome, and Library
He’s a flirt. That’s just his thing. He is just that kind of guy, and he’s a dumb teenage boy overflowing with hormones so it only makes sense.
In the end, Tohma is an asshole for sure. He’s an idiot and he’s naive and immature.. but so are many teen boys. In fact, I have to give the guy a lot of credit for realizing he was at fault in the end. Sure, he always remained a coward and he still did some horrible things but in the end he apologized to Misao and really didn’t mean the harm she got. He never let a classmate rape the girl, he never killed her, he never beat her. Of all of her bullies his was probably the least horrific and he felt bad about doing it after seeing all she went through. In the end, he didn’t help her and he certainly hurt her but he’s the least of the evils here.
Well this is the first time I’m ever doing this and I never thought I would be defending this guy.
Reasons for being hated w/Defense
Well he isn’t always selfish, he does have his selfless moments, such as saving his friends, helping Mordecai on his dates life more often, etc.
Okay, I find his voice annoying but come on, that’s a dumb reason hate somebody. Just because someone has an annoying voice doesn’t make them a bad person.
Again not always. He does have his moments of kindness and he truly does care for Mordecai. And besides when was the last time he was mean to his co-workers (with the exception of Benson and Skips).
Um isn’t “numerous occasions” a bit of an overstatement? I mean those ”numerous occasions” were only in two episodes (in one of the episodes Mordecai kinda brought it upon himself). Anyway Rigby stopped doing that a long time ago. Now he helps out Mordecai with his dates instead of interfering with them.
I swear, this is all about the shipping. So what if Rigby doesn’t share the same feeling for Eileen? Besides he doesn’t have to love her. And to be fair they are friends for now, just not a romantic couple. Plus he did think that Eileen looked hot without her glasses on, and what’s wrong about wanting to start off as friends?
In conclusion, I can’t deny that Rigby is a bad person and has done horrible things in the past, but at the same time he can make up for his bad deeds, which can qualify him as a “jerk with a heart of gold”, which also adds to character development. So basically, Rigby isn’t such a bad guy.
(PS:This is my first time doing this so I’m sorry if I was so redundant in the defense or didn’t touch up on certain aspects. Please leave a tip on how I can become a better as a defender)
jadebutterflystuff said: Did you delete the Astrid/Camicazi one or am I not seeing it?
Astrid is on here but Camicazi hasn’t been submitted yet.
Before I start, let me just say I don’t really like any Shu character. But, out almost any character in Shu, Jiang Wei has the BEST characterization. Anyway, let’s begin.
For using the word “benevolence” too often: That’s not a “Jiang Wei” problem. That’s a Shu problem. EVERYONE in Shu uses the word benevolence too much. I would argue that Liu Bei and Zhuge Liang use the word more than he does. Besides, benevolence is the word of the game. Much like how virtue was in pre-DW7.
hot blooded: Why isn’t Ma Chao here? Why isn’t Zhang Fei here? Jiang Wei is probably the only Shu character whose anger can be justified. First, his allies have been tricked into thinking he was a traitor despite him doing everything in his power to strive off the invaders. He made a promise to Zhuge Liang to create a land of benevolence but is constantly being thwarted by the “evil” Later Wei/Jin. The man can just never seem to get his way. And when he does it’s like:
Because it wasn’t all that significant.
caused the downfall of Shu: No one person caused the downfall of Shu. A lot of things caused the downfall of Shu. It can be argued that Jiang Wei was one of the main reasons for the downfall, but he’s not even close to the ONLY reason for the downfall. You can probably predict the downfall of Shu going back to Zhuge Liang’s Northern campaigns draining the resources of the country.
his voice (especially in DW4/7/8): Jiang Wei is being portrayed a certain way. He is obsessed with fulfilling the wishes of Zhuge Liang. He is obsessed with this land of benevolence. He will go to any lengths to make sure it happens. As much as I liked Joshua Seth (the DW5 voice actor), his voice is too calm for the current portrayal of Jiang Wei.
his outfits look hideous: too subjective for me to care enough,
doesn’t do anything (earlier games)/too much spotlight (newer games): Pre-DW7 ended the story at 234 with the Wu Zhang Plains. Jiang Wei joined Shu in around 228, after the battle of Tian Shui. That means Jiang Wei would be involved in six years worth of major Shu battles. Essentially that would be: the Battle of Tian Shui, Battle of Jieting, Battle of Chencang, Battle of Baidi Castle (which actually never happened and only appeared in one game), and, of course, the Wu Zhang Plains. So yeah, Jiang Wei DOESN’T get a lot of attention in the earlier, but it’s understandable. Hell, it’s understandable why he gets a lot of attention in the current games. The story now goes on to 263, when Liu Shan surrenders Shu. After a decade or more of peace time, Shu, led by Jiang Wei, invades Wei again. Jiang Wei does A LOT of invasions of Wei. I mean, a lot. He pretty much leads EVERY Shu invasion of Wei post-Wu Zhang. And the entire Jin storyline revolves around their fight with each other, those two battle with Wu, and Shu. So yeah, he deserves the spotlight. The only Shu character who, arguably, gets too much spotlight is Zhao Yun.
Zhuge Liang fanboy: Again, this is not specific to Jiang Wei. EVERYONE in Shu (with the exception of Wei Yan and allegedly Fa Zheng) is a Zhuge Liang fanboy. Hell, Xu Shu goes on and on to Liu Bei about how he’s not a worthy strategist and Zhuge Liang is. Shu has been nothing but Zhuge Liang fanboys since the man debut to the series.