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Fuck Yeah, Controversial Characters!

Loving the Characters that Fandoms Hate

  • Character: Dora
  • Fandom: Ayakashi Ghost Guild
  • Reason for Being Hated: Annoying, money grubby, gets in the way of events to mooch off of you for mags, a bitch, Mary Sue, poorly written, even players despise her.
  • Character: Katz Howan Kobayashi
  • Fandom: Mobile Suit Zeta Gundam
  • Reason for Being Hated: Some people liked him but the fandom hates him because he’s useless, annoying, and barely having any character development.

happy-cat-graystripe said: Kyousuke is already on this blog so why is he on the list thing? Just informing you because you mustn't have noticed :3

Thanks! I removed him from the inbox.

Anonymous said: So, after a while of scrolling down, I'm seeing two main styles of posting: There are the simple posts with the character, fandom, and reasons for being hated. And there are the long ones, the "Defense of"s. What's the signifigance of the difference?

The shorter posts are the character’s official introduction to the blog. The longer ones (defenses) are people defending the characters that have been introduced by the shorter posts.

Character: Christopher Hitchcock
Fandom: Everworld
Reason for Being Hated: He’s racist, sexist, and an asshole.
  • Character: Christopher Hitchcock
  • Fandom: Everworld
  • Reason for Being Hated: He’s racist, sexist, and an asshole.
  • Character: Miyuki Shiba
  • Fandom: Mahouka Koukou no Rettousei (The Irregular in Magic High School)
  • Reason for Being Hated: Thinks of her brother incestuously, is described as a Yamato Nadeshiko (“the epitome of pure, feminine beauty”).
  • Character: Carver Hawke
  • Fandom: Dragon Age
  • Reason for Being Hated: Whiny, has an inferiority complex, willingly joins Templars despite his siblings/father being mages, isn’t grateful if he survives and joins the Wardens.
  • Character: Veigar (the Tiny Master of Evil)
  • Fandom: League of Legends
  • Reason for Being Hated: Gratingly high-pitched whiny voice from hell, annoying dumbass lines that brag about his evil rather than actually doing evil things (telling rather than showing), he’s cheap to purchase in-game so he’s often overused by spammers, he’s named after a tall QA guy in real life so the joke about him being a yordle and short isn’t funny, he has 6 laughs: more than everyone else, just to be annoying!
  • Character: Tatsuya Shiba
  • Fandom: Mahouka Koukou no Rettousei (The Irregular in Magic High School)
  • Reason for Being Hated: Gary Stu (Single-handedly destroyed 1/3 of an international superpower’s navy, is considered a genius engineer at age 17, is believed to have advanced magical spellcasting technology by 10 years in just a few months, is nearly invincible, is the only one who can has the ability to defeat the strongest magician in the country), generally a flat character.
  • Character: Narrator
  • Fandom: Ookami-san to Shichinin no Nakama-tachi
  • Reason for Being Hated: Annoying, a joke that got old really quickly, never shuts up, keeps making unfunny wisecracks, explains things that the audience could have gathered on their own, talks over the main dialogue (which is especially annoying to those watching with subs, as they have to try to read two different lines of dialogue at once), takes away from/distracts from the main story.

Lots of Characters in the Inbox!

Here’s a list of characters currently in the inbox.

Just because they’re on here doesn’t mean that they’ll be on the blog. That’s because I haven’t checked these characters yet and because 1) there’s not enough evidence that they’re hated/controversial, 2) they’re a villain who’s hated for villainous things rather than other reasons, 3) they were already posted.

Also, Google is your friend! Not only does it let me see how hated/controversial a character is (or isn’t), it also lets you find out if a character has already appeared on this blog by searching “(character name) controversial.”

Recently submitted characters are towards the bottom of the list.

  • Narrator, Ookami-san to Shichinin no Nakama-tachi
  • Veigar, League of Legends
  • Carver Hawke, Dragon Age
  • Tatsuya Shiba, Mahouka Koukou
  • Miyuki Shiba, Mahouka Koukou
  • Christopher Hitchcock, Everworld
  • Katz Howan Kobayashi, Mobile Suit Gundam
  • Ezreal, League of Legends
  • Cia, The Legend of Zelda
  • Dora, Ayakashi Ghost Guild
  • Peacock, Skullgirls
  • Helena Dolph Jackson/Fortune, Metal Gear Solid
  • The Support, League of Legends
  • Valentine, Skullgirls
  • B.T. Bruno and T. Wrecks, Cel Damage
  • Sugilite, Steven Universe
  • Kirino Kousaka, Ore no Imouto
  • Pac-Man (Ghostly Adventures and SSB versions), Pac-Man/Super Smash Bros.
  • Tatsuya Kazami, Revolutionary Girl Utena
  • Kira Hayama, Metal Fight Beyblade
  • Walter White Jr./Flynn, Breaking Bad
  • Caroline Bingley, Pride & Prejudice
  • Blaziken, Pokemon
  • Sousuke Yamazaki, Free!
  • Dodie Bishop, As Told by Ginger
  • Beat, Eternal Sonata
  • Michelle Conner, Coronation Street
  • Beatrice Ushiromiya/Sayo Yasuda, Umineko no Naku Koro ni
  • Willie Scott, Indiana Jones
  • Frank Grimes, The Simpsons
  • Albert Du Blois, Gosick
  • Buck Cluck, Chicken Little
  • Scarlett O’Hara, Gone with the Wind
  • Amanda Wingfield, The Glass Menagerie
  • Patrick Star (modern), Spongebob Squarepants
  • Gregory Mama, Gregory Horror Show
  • Kyousuke Kamijou, Puella Magi Madoka Magica
  • Naruru Osaka and Ruruna Kobe, Sailor Moon
  • Snow Villiers, Final Fantasy
  • Gimli, Lord of the Rings
  • Endou Natsumi (adult version), Inazuma Eleven (GO)
A Defense Of Marie
Personally, I loved Marie and thought she was included in an way that wasn’t obtrusive to deterring to the story. She’s one of my favorite characters, so that’s why I’m going to try to defend her. I know it won’t stop people from hating her, and that’s fine, not everyone needs to love her, but tolerating her would do everyone worlds of wonders. I’m going to go ahead and say that there are going to be spoilers for Persona 4 Golden. I’m not going to answer every point, as I agree that she could have been implemented a lot better and I do disagree with how she was involved in some aspects.
Just Plain Rude
Yosuke can be pretty rude sometimes, so can Rise or even the protagonist himself, depending on what answers you choose. Rudeness is part of her character, and I think that it’s justified in this case. She doesn’t know what’s socially acceptable behavior and what’s not, so of course she’s going to make a lot of missteps. By nature, she is an unfiltered character and says what she’s thinking, which isn’t always a great thing, yeah, but it’s part of her.
Little to No Character Development
Alright, no. In the beginning, she is standoffish, closed and distant. As you go through her link, she opens up, is able to make friends with the Investigation Team and bares everything to the protagonist. It finally climaxes when she leaves, taking destiny into her own hands in an attempt to keep Inaba from the fog. She realizes that she didn’t need to find her memories, because she can make new ones. That’s huge growth for her, to go from scavenging for her memories to throwing it aside to make her own.
Shoehorned In
I’ve said this once and I’ve said it again. She almost completely avoidable. In Persona 4 Golden, after you first meet her and take her out, you do not need to do anything with her again unless you want her dungeon. She is not necessary to get the true ending, you do not need to do her social link and you can ignore her for almost the entirety of the game. In Persona 4 Ultimax she is going to be paid DLC that you do not need to buy. I am not sure of her involvement in Persona Q, however, forgive me for not keeping up with that. My point is that if she were “shoehorned in,” she would not be so avoidable.
Developers Tried To Make Her “One Of The Gang”
Yeah, they did. Yeah, it didn’t really work. Atlus was trying to give us that “new friendship” feeling with Marie that would make her climax in the Hollow Forest that much more emotional, but it didn’t work. I totally agree with that, and it was kind of a crappy implementation on Atlus’ part. That’s why I’m not going to go into this point, but I don’t think a character should be hated for something that the developers did a bad job of doing.
Overall A Mary Sue
Yeah, she did have some characteristics of a Mary Sue, and in some places (like what I was talking about in the last point,) it did feel like bad OC fanfiction. However, one of the biggest traits of a Mary Sue is that they have pseudo-faults, faults that aren’t really faults. The author makes it obvious that these faults are supposed to be hindering, but it doesn’t really do anything to the character. In this case, a few of Marie’s faults include her abrasive personality, innocence, bluntness, and lack of independence. Her personality makes it awkward around the protagonist’s friends and would, with anyone else, be a total turn off. I owe the fact that she still interacted with the rest of the Investigation Team to how accepting they were, because Marie did nothing to help her cause. Normally, I’d find this a pseudo-fault, but the Investigation Team has showed how amazingly accepting they are numerous times, so I find it believable that they’d accept Marie like they did. Her innocence and bluntness ties into her inhumanity and how she has no experience speaking with people or knowing what’s acceptable. That always gives way to her lack of independence. She cannot go so much as five away away from the Velvet Room without the protagonist. This could be a choice on her part or orders from Margaret, neither are confirmed, but both show how dependent she really is. That’s especially hindering, because her only source of knowledge, wisdom and friendship is the protagonist. People normally have more than one friend that helps them grow, while Marie only has the protagonist and the Investigation Team on occasion. I didn’t really answer this very well, because she does have Mary Sue traits, but she doesn’t deserve to be called an “overall Mary Sue.”
That got long-winded. I hope this maybe sheds some light on Marie or at least lets people tolerate her.

A Defense Of Marie

Personally, I loved Marie and thought she was included in an way that wasn’t obtrusive to deterring to the story. She’s one of my favorite characters, so that’s why I’m going to try to defend her. I know it won’t stop people from hating her, and that’s fine, not everyone needs to love her, but tolerating her would do everyone worlds of wonders. I’m going to go ahead and say that there are going to be spoilers for Persona 4 Golden. I’m not going to answer every point, as I agree that she could have been implemented a lot better and I do disagree with how she was involved in some aspects.

Just Plain Rude

Yosuke can be pretty rude sometimes, so can Rise or even the protagonist himself, depending on what answers you choose. Rudeness is part of her character, and I think that it’s justified in this case. She doesn’t know what’s socially acceptable behavior and what’s not, so of course she’s going to make a lot of missteps. By nature, she is an unfiltered character and says what she’s thinking, which isn’t always a great thing, yeah, but it’s part of her.

Little to No Character Development

Alright, no. In the beginning, she is standoffish, closed and distant. As you go through her link, she opens up, is able to make friends with the Investigation Team and bares everything to the protagonist. It finally climaxes when she leaves, taking destiny into her own hands in an attempt to keep Inaba from the fog. She realizes that she didn’t need to find her memories, because she can make new ones. That’s huge growth for her, to go from scavenging for her memories to throwing it aside to make her own.

Shoehorned In

I’ve said this once and I’ve said it again. She almost completely avoidable. In Persona 4 Golden, after you first meet her and take her out, you do not need to do anything with her again unless you want her dungeon. She is not necessary to get the true ending, you do not need to do her social link and you can ignore her for almost the entirety of the game. In Persona 4 Ultimax she is going to be paid DLC that you do not need to buy. I am not sure of her involvement in Persona Q, however, forgive me for not keeping up with that. My point is that if she were “shoehorned in,” she would not be so avoidable.

Developers Tried To Make Her “One Of The Gang”

Yeah, they did. Yeah, it didn’t really work. Atlus was trying to give us that “new friendship” feeling with Marie that would make her climax in the Hollow Forest that much more emotional, but it didn’t work. I totally agree with that, and it was kind of a crappy implementation on Atlus’ part. That’s why I’m not going to go into this point, but I don’t think a character should be hated for something that the developers did a bad job of doing.

Overall A Mary Sue

Yeah, she did have some characteristics of a Mary Sue, and in some places (like what I was talking about in the last point,) it did feel like bad OC fanfiction. However, one of the biggest traits of a Mary Sue is that they have pseudo-faults, faults that aren’t really faults. The author makes it obvious that these faults are supposed to be hindering, but it doesn’t really do anything to the character. In this case, a few of Marie’s faults include her abrasive personality, innocence, bluntness, and lack of independence. Her personality makes it awkward around the protagonist’s friends and would, with anyone else, be a total turn off. I owe the fact that she still interacted with the rest of the Investigation Team to how accepting they were, because Marie did nothing to help her cause. Normally, I’d find this a pseudo-fault, but the Investigation Team has showed how amazingly accepting they are numerous times, so I find it believable that they’d accept Marie like they did. Her innocence and bluntness ties into her inhumanity and how she has no experience speaking with people or knowing what’s acceptable. That always gives way to her lack of independence. She cannot go so much as five away away from the Velvet Room without the protagonist. This could be a choice on her part or orders from Margaret, neither are confirmed, but both show how dependent she really is. That’s especially hindering, because her only source of knowledge, wisdom and friendship is the protagonist. People normally have more than one friend that helps them grow, while Marie only has the protagonist and the Investigation Team on occasion. I didn’t really answer this very well, because she does have Mary Sue traits, but she doesn’t deserve to be called an “overall Mary Sue.”

That got long-winded. I hope this maybe sheds some light on Marie or at least lets people tolerate her.

Tagged with:  #defense  #submission  #Persona 4  #Marie

Anonymous said: Character #2 is Cheria Barnes from Tales of Graces/ƒ. Though I could technically say she's a love or hate character, she's more hated than loved, honestly. The most common complaint I see is that she treats Asbel like crap. Well, Asbel left Cheria 7 years prior to the true start of the game without telling her. Of course she's gonna have a grudge against him. Not to mention, after a certain point she stops treating him like crap. 2nd down, one more to go. Sorry this is so long.

Already done (along with Emil)

Anonymous said: Wow, there's a lot of characters I could mention here. I think I'll go with characters I like that most other people hate in the Tales fandom. First up is Karol Capel from Tales of Vesperia. Everyone just says "oh he's so whiny/annoying/whatever." Well, of course he's gonna be whiny, he's just a kid (he's about 12-13 years old) he's not gonna know any better. Also, if you think his English voice is annoying, you haven't heard his Japanese voice yet. DEAR GOD... Anyway, running out of characters.

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Anonymous said: Sumia, Fire Emblem Awakening, reasons for being hated: "Mary Sue", Chrom's default love interest so 'stands in way of other romances for Chrom', Not Cordelia who has a crush on Chrom as well(even though canonly Cordelia cannot talk to Chrom in game), the woman shown in the beginning sequence with Chrom therefore 'canon bitch who gets in the way of other ships', too girly, stupid and klutzy.

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